Traditional clothing versus global fashion:

 

- Should Europe tolerate or ban the burqa and other face-coverings?

- Bikini versus burkini: a clash of values or two different statements of fashion in an open society?

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As long as we are discussing the clothes of women, not of all gender, it is the wrong question and something wrong in society and Europe.

Votes: 185

It's not about a dress code, it's about freedom. Globalisation and social medias have always taken the images of different girls in the eastern countries. Oriental women, especially in the globalised era, are seeing how different are life conditions for them: then, a simple protest against burkini is sometimes the synonymous of an objection against the misoginous rules they have to follow in their daily lives. So if people are really open-minded as they prattle on socials, they must let girls choose on their own. Their bodies, their rules: it's up to them to decide about their own dress code.

Votes: 170

If they choose the wear a burqa, they should be allowed to do so. If they want to wear a burkini then they can wear it. If they re forced to wear it, then it is not OK. This isn't a religious freedom issue, it's an issue of personal freedoms. No state should be able to tell me what to wear on my free time. But! If you work for the state or a company and they don't allow it at customer service related jobs, then you should follow the dress codes at work.
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Votes: 144

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You do not give more freedom to people by banning something. What is wrong in not showing your body? Should we also ban scarves and hoods/hats because people can cover their mouth and nose, keeping only the eyes visible? If this is a major security issue you ban every single piece of clothing than can cover the face, otherwise you leave people alone with how they choose to dress, even when they go swimming.

Votes: 140

It's up to the people themselves to decide what they want to wear. Nothing the state should interfer with. It is totally illogical to allow and even pressure women to put bikini and have the bikini body and to want to ban the burkini. Although, it should be something that should be debated in schools and public spaces for all women to chose consciously for themselves what to wear.

Votes: 126

It's up to the people themselves to decide what they want to wear. Nothing the state should interfer with. It is totally illogical to allow and even pressure women to put bikini and have the bikini body and to want to ban the burkini. Although, it should be something that should be debated in schools and public spaces for all women to chose consciously for themselves what to wear.

Votes: 138

There is no need for the state to get involved in telling its citizens how to dress. We may draw some limits to this, though, including requiring people by law not to go fully naked in public. As we can see in Austria, an attempt to regulate face-coverings can very easily back-fire and overwhelm police with lots of work, where they have to decide on a case-by-case basis whether a scarf wrapped around the face in cold whether is crossing the line or not. This shows what a practical disaster this unnecessary over-regulation brings. It would be fully sufficient - and indeed much more sensible - to require people to not wear any face-covering clothes in particular circumstances (airports, public offices, during police controls, etc.). To suppress any religious clothing because of its religious or cultural association is to destroy the neutrality of the secular state - but we need the secular state! If the state starts taking sides in interrelogious and intercultural disagreements on taste and fashion, it undermines its own authority
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Votes: 151

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I believe that Europe must be tolerant with the religions. However , Burqua ,Burkini and other face covered don't give the freedom to people to show their faces which are their identity . It isn't a theme of the terrorism and the security . It's all about the Freedom and Human Rights .
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Votes: 241

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I understand the concerns many people have regarding the wearing of burqa, especially in public spaces. A balance must be struck between civic values and liberty, and cultural or religious diversity and identity - because sometimes they conflict. If such striking such balance in the case of the burqa means prohibiting its wear in public, I think that it is fine, even though some people will feel their interests threatened by it. In such case, though, we must make sure that women do not stop going out because the burqa is prohibited. That would mean an unacceptable price to pay for banning the burqa. As for the burkini, I don't think there is a problem with it. It does not hide a woman's face, and it is meant to allow women who hold certain religious beliefs to be able to enjoy the beach or the swimming pool. There isn't really a security issue related to it, so while there is some solid ground for the prohibition of the burqa, I find that it would be arbitrary (something quite like harassment) to do the same with the burkini. Of course, this is just the way I see things and I am open to see different opinions.
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Votes: 234

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Attempts to ban burkini on the beaches are disgrace to humankind, and i am ashemed of French people for such idea, i thought of them as nation of philosophers, and that was really stupid. I am not mad, just disappointed. * Religion shouldnt be threaten in special way for good and bad. No benefits, but neither action against as long as religion is not offensive. * Similar acts should be by law threten in similar way. * You cant be cruel to animal from selfish reason, you cant be cruel to animal from religion reason. * You cant hurt child as act of madness, and cant hurt child from tradition reason. Even cutting foreskin is barbaric. When boys become men they could cut off whatever they want. * This should be left for country national ideas, since Euro ban or enforcment would create backlash. * Sometimes EP need to let citizens make mistakes, making everyone happy with the club is hard *. Some places may require dress code, but it should be functional. Like "You cant cover face on stadiums, administration offices, and need to show face to police officers if asked.* or " No nihab in schools" however people could wear face covers as cold protection, breating masks, health problems, or fashion choice if security does not required unmask. * On the beaches or other recreationl areas you may wear monks frock, darth vader costume, burkini, victoria secret linen creation, water sports outfit and medieval armour and who cares? * Some people fashion white skin so "burkini" could be good for them. * Some employment position may require unmask, like police officers need to make contact, face is part of communication tool. But you may wear burka in 911 hotline. * Generally if you want to be seductive western culture you should integrate incomers, by work, by social activity, by way of life and entertaiment. Muslim girls on the beaches is how you asimilate human mass. Muslim women may be easier to bribe, since Europe may offer more personal freedom than middle east monarchies.

Votes: 103

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